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Thu, 16 December 2010 16:20  |
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JohnDoe
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Objective: Revamp Fable gameplay balance to be steady and steadily increasing in difficulty. Not necessarily make it harder or easier, just sensible.
So I was thinking about putting together a gameplay balance mod and started taking stock of all things that affect balance. And then I realized that the list includes everything. Here's the list that I've come up with so far. It overlaps and is a bit redundant, but that's better than not having all the bases covered.
List of balance aspects
Weapons
- Weapon animations
- Weapon augment slots
- Weapon augments
- Weapon class
- Weapon damage
- Weapon explosion damage
- Weapon explosion range
- Weapon placement
- Weapon price
- Weapon speed
- Weapon type
- Weapon weight
Armor
- Armor placement
- Armor price
- Armor ratings
- Armor-specific resistances
- Armor-specific weaknesses
Potions
- Item effects
- Item limits
- Item placement
- Item price
- Item rarity
Chests
- Chest contents
- Chest key
- Chest placement
- Chest rarity
Keys
- Key placement
- Key price
- Key rarity
Augments
- Augment effects
- Augment placement
- Augment price
- Augment rarity
Spells
- Spell cooldown times
- Spell damage ratings
- Spell upgrade costs
- Spell usage costs
- Spell warmup times
NPCs/Creatures
- Armor ratings
- Armor resistances
- Armor weaknesses
- Attack patterns
- Attack ratings
- Attack speed
- Combat abilities
- Combat sequence
- Combat type
- Creature drops
- Creature stats (used?)
- Decapitation probability
- Health values
- NPC/Creature factions
- NPC/Creature placement
- NPC-specific special abilities
- Stat modifiers
- Weapons
Hero
- Armor ratings
- Armor resistances
- Armor weaknesses
- Attack ratings
- Attack speed
- Health values
- Renown thresholds
Experience
- Alignment-based cost modifiers
- Skill upgrade costs
- Skill upgrade effects
Other
- Item costs
- Item cost variables
- Fishing spot items
- Fishing spot difficulty
- Digging spot items
- Pubgame gold rewards
- Quest rewards
- Boasting rewards
- Arena round rewards
- Wedding dowries
- House prices
- Trophy exploit
- Bodyguard wages
I'm willing to bet I missed a ton of things. Right now I just want a complete list, I'll figure out what to revamp and how later. Feel free to chime in.
[Updated on: Sat, 18 December 2010 01:04] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60745 is a reply to message #60744] |
Thu, 16 December 2010 17:21  |
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Scythe of Blades
Messages: 96
Registered: November 2010
Location: Where you would least exp...
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Gold rebalance, it far too easy to get gratuitous amounts of gold early on, thus leading to platemail and the solus greatsword before you get half way through the game
I envy because of the heart,
I glutton because of the heart,
I covet because of the heart,
I am prideful because of the heart,
I sloth because of the heart,
I rage because of the heart,
Because of the heart
I lust for everything about you
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60746 is a reply to message #60745] |
Thu, 16 December 2010 18:02 |
IDontKnow
Messages: 190
Registered: August 2010
Location: 127.0.0.1
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| Scythe of Blades wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 01:21 |
the solus greatsword before you get half way through the game
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If I remember correctly I believe that after the arena your already past half way through the game.
27/4/11 23:XX (11:XX Pm) She went to a better place. 28/4/11 10:XX She was burried; RIP
Leren van de taal van Nederland is leuk.
Ik heb nog veel te leren, hoewel.
Tengo la ambición de aprender a español.
Yet I have no idea how to start.
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60747 is a reply to message #60746] |
Thu, 16 December 2010 18:17 |
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Scythe of Blades
Messages: 96
Registered: November 2010
Location: Where you would least exp...
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not really, from that point on you still have to go to the northern wastes, prison, beat maze id say prison is about halfway through the game
I envy because of the heart,
I glutton because of the heart,
I covet because of the heart,
I am prideful because of the heart,
I sloth because of the heart,
I rage because of the heart,
Because of the heart
I lust for everything about you
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60748 is a reply to message #60745] |
Thu, 16 December 2010 18:38 |
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JohnDoe
Messages: 3007
Registered: October 2007
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| Scythe of Blades wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 19:21 |
Gold rebalance, it far too easy to get gratuitous amounts of gold early on, thus leading to platemail and the solus greatsword before you get half way through the game
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Solus is a weapon and plate mail counts as an armor, item placement's already on the list. Everything else about gold is already accounted for, chests and such... but I didn't think about other ways of getting gold such as quest rewards, pub games or boasting. That'd be a good thing to add to the list.
[Updated on: Thu, 16 December 2010 18:39] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60749 is a reply to message #60747] |
Thu, 16 December 2010 19:28 |
IDontKnow
Messages: 190
Registered: August 2010
Location: 127.0.0.1
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I'd still say around the arena is about half way through the game,
If I ever got asked.
Also..
You might want to do something about the simple trading system.
E.g. Buy 10 diamonds at 543 each, as you buy them to price should go up. [This probably means getting rid/changing of the buy in bulk option, which is a simple maths thing E.g. 543x10=5430 [That's how simple the system is, as far as I can see.]
27/4/11 23:XX (11:XX Pm) She went to a better place. 28/4/11 10:XX She was burried; RIP
Leren van de taal van Nederland is leuk.
Ik heb nog veel te leren, hoewel.
Tengo la ambición de aprender a español.
Yet I have no idea how to start.
[Updated on: Thu, 16 December 2010 19:30] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60750 is a reply to message #60749] |
Thu, 16 December 2010 19:34 |
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JohnDoe
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| IDontKnow wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 21:28 |
I'd still say around the arena is about half way through the game,
If I ever got asked.
Also..
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No one asked, not sure anyone really cares. But that does remind me of arena round rewards. While I can change the amount, there's still the matter of the announcer saying how much gold is accumulated. I might be able to remove those lines from the cutscene though.| IDontKnow wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 21:28 |
You might want to do something about the simple trading system.
E.g. Buy 10 diamonds at 543 each, as you buy them to price should go up. [This probably means getting rid/changing of the buy in bulk option, which is a simple maths thing E.g. 543x10=5430 [That's how simple the system is, as far as I can see.]
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Already on the list as 'Item cost variables'. The general idea is to null it out. Shopkeepers don't rip you off, you don't rip them off, everything's retail value. Ideally, I'd like to have all things cost a certain amount, and selling items only gets you half the retail, but I don't think I can set that up.
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60753 is a reply to message #60752] |
Thu, 16 December 2010 20:00 |
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Scythe of Blades
Messages: 96
Registered: November 2010
Location: Where you would least exp...
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What about the gold you recieve for marriage? and the glitch where you can put trophies in a house, sell it for more than its worth break into the house, steal the trophies back and buy it again for less and keep selling it?
I envy because of the heart,
I glutton because of the heart,
I covet because of the heart,
I am prideful because of the heart,
I sloth because of the heart,
I rage because of the heart,
Because of the heart
I lust for everything about you
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60754 is a reply to message #60753] |
Thu, 16 December 2010 20:06 |
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JohnDoe
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| Scythe of Blades wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 22:00 |
What about the gold you recieve for marriage? and the glitch where you can put trophies in a house, sell it for more than its worth break into the house, steal the trophies back and buy it again for less and keep selling it?
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Those are all good. Dowry can be edited. Trophy value can be edited, so can house value, I can also remove that problem altogether by making it such that you cannot hang trophies in houses. Good additions.
Way late edit: Or I can just make it such that you cannot sell the house or rent it out.
Even later edit: Breakdown of demon doors.
WitchwoodCavern
DemonDoor_LookoutPoint
DemonDoor_BanditCampPath
DemonDoor_Barrowfields
DemonDoor_Bordello
DemonDoor_DarkwoodSporeSwamp
DemonDoor_GreatwoodBanditToll
DemonDoor_GreatwoodCaves
DemonDoor_Guild
DemonDoor_HauntedHouse
DemonDoor_KnotholeGlade
DemonDoor_Necropolis
DemonDoor_GreatwoodGrannysHouse
The ones that are stricken out are needed for quests. Unlisted demon doors only connect to other regions (after Thunder fight; after graveyard quest). So that leaves 11 demon doors that can be removed.
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60874 is a reply to message #60751] |
Tue, 21 December 2010 07:29 |
Mayki
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Registered: October 2010
Location: UT
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| nicomon wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 20:44 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 16 December 2010 19:34 |
Ideally, I'd like to have all things cost a certain amount, and selling items only gets you half the retail, but I don't think I can set that up.
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If you do that, you should get rid of trade items as well.
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What about making it so the pricing isn't based on current stock,
but instead on stock + quantity the shop will be purchasing,
or just purchase quantity,
that way you can't use the same items to become a millionaire,
instead you'd be forced to buy from multiple shops to sell to one,
or maybe limit how much the shops want,
so they won't buy 100 wedding rings from you,
they'll only purchase a set amount so as to not overstock.
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60879 is a reply to message #60874] |
Tue, 21 December 2010 10:06 |
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asmcint
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Registered: April 2010
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I have an idea for adding balance myself. Make enemy npc attacks(except for bosses and undead)slower to make it easier to be a decent swordsman. Also it would be nice if your character didn't start out with 1h combat animations like that of a master. Seriously, he wields those things gracefully as a CHILD! Would it be possible to make new weapon classes specifically designed so that you have newbie, novice, intermediate, and master swordsmanship styles? I think that might help balance out fable some.
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60902 is a reply to message #60898] |
Wed, 22 December 2010 11:22 |
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asmcint
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Could you do new weapon classes with novice, intermediate, and master combat styles? Master combat ones being 10000 gold just for steel, and novice being standard price for current weapons.
EDIT:And to james butts, he has that uber masterful combat style even being a little kid with his stick.
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #60906 is a reply to message #60874] |
Wed, 22 December 2010 14:40 |
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JohnDoe
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Lots of ideas, good. 
| Mayki wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 09:29 |
What about making it so the pricing isn't based on current stock,
but instead on stock + quantity the shop will be purchasing,
or just purchase quantity,
that way you can't use the same items to become a millionaire,
instead you'd be forced to buy from multiple shops to sell to one,
or maybe limit how much the shops want,
so they won't buy 100 wedding rings from you,
they'll only purchase a set amount so as to not overstock.
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I can kill the shop exploit, but not the way you're talking about, there's just no way I'll be able to set that up.
| asmcint wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 12:06 |
I have an idea for adding balance myself. Make enemy npc attacks(except for bosses and undead)slower to make it easier to be a decent swordsman. Also it would be nice if your character didn't start out with 1h combat animations like that of a master. Seriously, he wields those things gracefully as a CHILD! Would it be possible to make new weapon classes specifically designed so that you have newbie, novice, intermediate, and master swordsmanship styles? I think that might help balance out fable some.
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That's mostly animation stuff, and sadly there's hardly anything that can be done with that.
| Scythe of Blades wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 10:08 |
And not much could be done about it anyway, except for editing the animations so you attack like a zombie or something. But there would be no way to change the animations back to normal based on renown, experience or alignment. In short it's not possible.
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That's exactly right, with a few exceptions. The Hero uses different running animations after the arena quest. They're exactly the same as the old animations, but something in the game makes the switch. As far as I can tell, that's the only time this happens. There's also that one augment type that causes changes in the Hero's attack style, I can't really explain that one either.
| asmcint wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 13:22 |
Could you do new weapon classes with novice, intermediate, and master combat styles? Master combat ones being 10000 gold just for steel, and novice being standard price for current weapons.
EDIT:And to james butts, he has that uber masterful combat style even being a little kid with his stick.
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No. I am limited to what I can work with. There's nothing in place that would allow that. Weapons and items don't change combat style.
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #61159 is a reply to message #60742] |
Sun, 16 January 2011 23:49 |
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DarkONI
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What can be done about the Greatwood bandits? (the bandit toll camp)
After you slaughter them the region is totally empty, there should be something else in case that the bandits are dead.
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| Re: Gameplay balance [message #61185 is a reply to message #61182] |
Thu, 20 January 2011 04:28 |
jwc2200
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| OldBoy wrote on Thu, 20 January 2011 02:25 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 19 January 2011 21:07 |
The child Hero doesn't exactly face any real enemies as a child so it's negligible.
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Reminds me of this mod.
Great little mod that, unfortunately it's not on available anymore.
Anyone still have it?
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I posted what I think is a similar mod in the thread OldBoy linked to. It lets you do what the original mod did, the best I can figure from reading the thread.
Recolor Compilation #1
Recolor Compilation #2
Make Back-Ups
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