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Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43872] Sat, 12 July 2008 03:12 Go to next message
Sammature0 is currently offline  Sammature0
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Ok, so i have tried to make a Summoner Suit using Nicdude's Minion suit guide but im having trouble with the hands and the weapons.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee14/Sammature/untitled2-1.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee14/Sammature/untitled-3.jpg

Could anyone help me out with this?
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43883 is a reply to message #43872] Sat, 12 July 2008 21:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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the helpers are wrong on the weapon models

good news is, you can use the vanilla summoner's sword now ^_^


"All of the work, and none of the play, will surely provide for a speedy decay"
icon11.gif  Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43884 is a reply to message #43883] Sat, 12 July 2008 22:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thats not whats wrong with... Look at the hands they're all messed up, and when you swing your weapon around it only moves when you spin around while your attacking Sad. Im using the No sheathes mod so the quiver and weapon arnt visible when not sheaved.
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43885 is a reply to message #43884] Sat, 12 July 2008 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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umm, most likely a bones problem, try opening B-Morph, then without changing anything save it over the hero's bones (MAKE BACKUPS FIRST!!!) and see if that solves your problem

"All of the work, and none of the play, will surely provide for a speedy decay"
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43886 is a reply to message #43885] Sat, 12 July 2008 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yea, but im just trying to make it a costume, im not trying to change the hero himself...
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43887 is a reply to message #43886] Sat, 12 July 2008 23:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yeah, but the hero's mesh is being replaced by the summoner's mesh when you do this, you're "wearing" a summoner

"All of the work, and none of the play, will surely provide for a speedy decay"
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43889 is a reply to message #43887] Sun, 13 July 2008 01:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i dont understand 100%. so you can change the bones in a piece of clothing without it affecting the hero himself?
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43890 is a reply to message #43889] Sun, 13 July 2008 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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no, the summoner becomes the hero, and uses his bones, so you nedd to save over the hero's bones with the default from b-morph (or all 1's)

"All of the work, and none of the play, will surely provide for a speedy decay"
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43899 is a reply to message #43890] Sun, 13 July 2008 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok, is B-Morph that program you released? becuase i dunno how to use it :S
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43900 is a reply to message #43899] Sun, 13 July 2008 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yeah, but you won't need to use it, just open it, then go to file>>save and save over the hero's bones

"All of the work, and none of the play, will surely provide for a speedy decay"
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43901 is a reply to message #43900] Sun, 13 July 2008 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yea same problem. do all the boxes have to be ticked?
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43902 is a reply to message #43901] Sun, 13 July 2008 19:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nope, you would only check boxes if you wanted to change the values

"All of the work, and none of the play, will surely provide for a speedy decay"
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43907 is a reply to message #43902] Sun, 13 July 2008 22:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thats what i did.. didnt work
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43908 is a reply to message #43907] Sun, 13 July 2008 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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oh, did you save over all the hero's bones?

"All of the work, and none of the play, will surely provide for a speedy decay"
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43909 is a reply to message #43908] Sun, 13 July 2008 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yep, all of them. i save over hero_fat then copied it and changed the name to the other bones names and replaced them with that. ill try again
Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43910 is a reply to message #43909] Sun, 13 July 2008 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if it doesn't work then I don't know the problem, and there's not much I can do to help

unless there are summoner bones, in which case you would replace the hero's bones with the summoner bones


"All of the work, and none of the play, will surely provide for a speedy decay"

[Updated on: Sun, 13 July 2008 22:42]

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Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43911 is a reply to message #43872] Sun, 13 July 2008 23:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnDoe is currently offline  JohnDoe
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Retired
Dammit, ruined my no-posting streak before it can even get off the ground.

No amount of toying with bone configurations will fix this problem. The Hero is incompatible with the summoner's animations and vice versa, so a simple model swap is not enough.
Incompatible
Two ways to fix this.
"Transform" into a summoner, use its animations, much in the way Marco's balverine mod works, and use Silver's app to help with this.
The other way is to remodel the summoner against the Hero's bones.

Edit:

Also wanted to add something about the weirdly-sheathed weapons. Any weapon that sheathes properly for the Hero will not sheath properly for the summoner and vice-versa, for the same reason the summoner sword will not sheath properly for the Hero. The helpers in the summoner sword are meant specifically for use with the summoner's scabbard helper in the model. The summoner's scabbard helper is different from the Hero's, which, if you haven't guessed by now, is why the summoner sword works for the summoner but not most other weapons.

Edit again: Right to left? Not that it matters, it's all pretty much the same anyway.

[Updated on: Mon, 14 July 2008 02:33]

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Re: Summoner Suit (Need help) [message #43912 is a reply to message #43911] Sun, 13 July 2008 23:40 Go to previous message
Sammature0 is currently offline  Sammature0
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oh ok. i dont really want to go that complex. thx anyway
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