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Unknown Def Notes [message #58323]

Tue, 06 July 2010 17:57

Keshire
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Condensed from several posts

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Most flying types are leaving the known movement options 0 and using the unknown options instead.
They also have additional Navigatortype

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The ambient creatures (birds, lobsters, spiders) user different 'Property' values

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Unknown [DD68171F] - Only the Nymphs have this set to anything other than 75.0 [Nymphs = 100.0](My guess is something to do with summoning?)

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LeaderTypeDef [7C8444E3] - Only creature that has this set is the Hobbe Spellcaster Creature (It's a link to - CREATURE_HOBBE_LIEUTENANT).

I think it's time to see what LeaderTypeDef does when setup with a heirarchy in mind on a bunch of different creatures. Probably nothing, but you never know

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<Control name="Torso Skin" id="E8420CF4"> = DazedEffectDef

Most use link ID 200 (Dazed02Stars) or something like that.
Makes sense since it is right under the DamageEffectDef.

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Summoner_2 is the only creature with the [9F55EA3F] bool flipped. The one between CombatTypeDef and HeroCombatDef

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Pretty sure these control alignment changes (threaten, attack, kill)
<Control name="unknown" id="0D0FE792">
<Member name="unknown" type="float" />
</Control>
<Control name="unknown" id="5430EAAE">
<Member name="unknown" type="float" />
</Control>
<Control name="unknown" id="94E67D46">
<Member name="unknown" type="float" />
</Control>

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[551F4DF2] float
[0C2040CE] float
[ECD7D586] uInt

Creature_Bandit_Grunt_* is the only one to use these.
Not the Archers. Not the Leaders. Just the Grunts.

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[Updated on: Wed, 07 July 2010 14:09]

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58340 is a reply to message #58323]

Wed, 07 July 2010 12:02

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Dang Bluetooth you're on a roll. Hope you keep it up! (I'm still stuck trying to get changed textures to stay on a freakin' LOD. Evil or Very Mad

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58341 is a reply to message #58340]

Wed, 07 July 2010 12:17

Keshire
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asmcint wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 14:02

Dang Bluetooth you're on a roll. Hope you keep it up! (I'm still stuck trying to get changed textures to stay on a freakin' LOD. Evil or Very Mad

Just flipping through unknowns to see what patterns I see. Wink

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58362 is a reply to message #58323]

Thu, 08 July 2010 09:40

Keshire
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A quick note for those that don't know or haven't realized.
[0B27A80D] = "Type"
It's listed in a bunch of Definitions, and some actually correspond to the enum entries in the misc_def_types.h file.

Only a couple have been matched up out of the:
COMBAT_SEQUENCE = EAIStateGroupType
MESSAGE_EVENT
CREATURE_ABILITY
CAugmentationDef = We know the values but not the name. Probably not listed
CContextSensitiveItemDef = EContextSensitiveType
CWeaponDef
CTargetingDef
CPercievedThingDef
CShopDef
UI

Some help would be nice. Razz

Some of these may be listed within a different enum file though.

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58367 is a reply to message #58323]

Thu, 08 July 2010 12:26

Keshire
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Reformatted the xml, seems like it might be loading quicker for it.

Fixed a ton of datatypes all over the place.
Added the links to the weapon trails in the Global Defaults.
Added the links to the DamageEffect, DazeEffect, and LeaderTypeDef within CREATURE

Added a crapload of ID links to the Inventory System.

Attachment: def.xml
(Size: 841.96KB, Downloaded 669 times)

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[Updated on: Thu, 08 July 2010 12:37]

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58377 is a reply to message #58323]

Thu, 08 July 2010 15:19

nicomon
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Keshire wrote on Tue, 06 July 2010 17:57

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[551F4DF2] float
[0C2040CE] float
[ECD7D586] uInt

Creature_Bandit_Grunt_* is the only one to use these.
Not the Archers. Not the Leaders. Just the Grunts.

It might also be notable that all the Creature_Bandit_Grunt_* have [ECD7D586] set to 5 except for the Creature_Bandit_Grunt_Level3_* which have it set to 10.

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58385 is a reply to message #58367]

Thu, 08 July 2010 19:39

JohnDoe
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Retired

Took Kesh's XML and gutted unneeded duplicates. There are some that are needed, didn't touch those. This will save time and hassle if any of those unknowns get named, or if those datatypes are updated, or anything involving those ControlStructures is done.

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58554 is a reply to message #58323]

Thu, 15 July 2010 08:59

Keshire
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CREATURE->CreatureInteractionTypes=0|1

0 = Non-Interacting Creatures (Enemies, chickens, rats, Guards)
1 = Villagers

CAppearanceModifier->AppearanceType=0|1|2

0 = BodyParts (Hair, Tash)
1 = NonInventory/Forced (Horns)
2 = Normal Items

Probably used for layering. So the helmets can override the hair and horns.

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58557 is a reply to message #58554]

Thu, 15 July 2010 12:47

nicomon
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Keshire wrote on Thu, 15 July 2010 08:59

1 = NonInventory/Forced (Horns)

So does this mean you've figured out what's forcing the horns onto the hero?

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58558 is a reply to message #58557]

Thu, 15 July 2010 12:54

Keshire
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nicomon wrote on Thu, 15 July 2010 14:47

Keshire wrote on Thu, 15 July 2010 08:59

1 = NonInventory/Forced (Horns)

So does this mean you've figured out what's forcing the horns onto the hero?

I haven't had a chance to check it out.

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58582 is a reply to message #58323]

Fri, 16 July 2010 07:47

DarkONI
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CREATURE_HERO->CCreatureDef

5A698A8F; Contains INVENTORY_TYPE_HERO_ABILITIES (2621) Probably it is the Abilities Inventory
E799021B; Contains INVENTORY_TYPE_QUEST_CARD_SCREEN (2634) Probably it is the Quests screen.
373BB1EE; Contains INVENTORY_TYPE_AUGMENT_SCREEN (2625) Probably it is the Augments screen.
9F6C8453; Contains INVENTORY_TYPE_IN_GAME_MENU (2642) Probably the Game Menu.
1F18208F; Contains different default-like hero gear, probably contains the default hero armors used in scripts etc.

CREATURE_HERO->CHeroMorphDef

1A37C090; Contains most of the Good Alignment effects, like the halo and the annoying butterflies.
718A793D; Contains various evil alignment effects and will users hands effects.

[Edit notes: Added CHeroMorphDef unknowns]

[Updated on: Fri, 16 July 2010 08:15]

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58583 is a reply to message #58323]

Fri, 16 July 2010 08:42

Keshire
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While it's appreciated. Let's stick with stuff where we don't know what it does.

The heromorph stuff is fairly obvious when you look at it.

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58584 is a reply to message #58583]

Fri, 16 July 2010 08:45

DarkONI
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Keshire wrote on Fri, 16 July 2010 11:42

While it's appreciated. Let's stick with stuff where we don't know what it does.

The heromorph stuff is fairly obvious when you look at it.

Yes, it is fairly obvious, however I see no reason why they should be kept as unknown in the XML.

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Re: Unknown Def Notes [message #58585 is a reply to message #58584]

Fri, 16 July 2010 08:51

Keshire
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DarkONI wrote on Fri, 16 July 2010 10:45

Keshire wrote on Fri, 16 July 2010 11:42

While it's appreciated. Let's stick with stuff where we don't know what it does.

The heromorph stuff is fairly obvious when you look at it.

Yes, it is fairly obvious, however I see no reason why they should be kept as unknown in the XML.

Well that's easy. We don't know the array's actual name. Hence it's unknown. Feel free to name it in the def.xml though.

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