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Re: WIP Updating the def.xml [message #70173 is a reply to message #70171]

Fri, 28 March 2014 13:34

xxNick
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Keshire wrote on Fri, 28 March 2014 15:06

This Def type in particular is a very good example of the crazyness that is the bin databases. All the INVENTORY_TYPE's share all the properties even if they don't use them.

The whole thing is bonkers. I'm not in game design, and I often get tossed slack for criticizing people who are due to my lack of background in design, but I can't imagine any scenario where it would have been more difficult to create things like weapon entries, armor entries, misc item entries, all apart from each other without having to rely on the CDefs to get the game to tell one apart from the other. I want to meet the guy who thought that was better and/or easier.

asmcint wrote on Fri, 28 March 2014 15:08

But its absence begs the question as to how they went about dealing with heightmaps and various other level information.

Well, the heightmap, the thing the Hero walks on, isn't in the stb at all. The stb is just the stuff you see. What defines a piece of the map as walkable, the height at which the player stands on it, whether or not it's water, if the camera can go through it, all that's in the wad. Totally different lev format at play, not quite as bananas but still pretty ape.

As Keshire said, in the absence of the stb, all (pfft, "all") they'd have to do is define the terrain and flora and water somewhere else, tng scripts perhaps. Just the stuff you see. Not really a small task, but perhaps it was done in such a way that we will be able to edit it. In which case, it is a very good thing.

Not sure the map tngs would be a good way to do it though, as map editing would then become way more tedious. But, I don't know. We'll find out eventually. Hopefully we stand to gain and benefit from the changes.

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		WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Mon, 10 March 2014 10:32
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: jwc2200 on Mon, 10 March 2014 23:36
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: CultOfByron on Tue, 11 March 2014 05:31
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Tue, 11 March 2014 06:11
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Tue, 11 March 2014 13:33
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Wed, 12 March 2014 12:46
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Fri, 14 March 2014 09:40
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Mon, 17 March 2014 12:52
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Zyreq on Mon, 17 March 2014 17:00
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Mon, 17 March 2014 18:40
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: asmcint on Mon, 17 March 2014 19:42
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Mon, 17 March 2014 19:50
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: CultOfByron on Tue, 18 March 2014 03:26
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: asmcint on Tue, 18 March 2014 05:50
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Tue, 18 March 2014 07:50
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Zyreq on Tue, 18 March 2014 07:56
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Tue, 18 March 2014 08:13
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Wed, 19 March 2014 21:34
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Thu, 27 March 2014 14:50
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: xxNick on Thu, 27 March 2014 19:35
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Fri, 28 March 2014 06:02
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: asmcint on Fri, 28 March 2014 06:48
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: xxNick on Fri, 28 March 2014 10:32
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: asmcint on Fri, 28 March 2014 13:08
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Fri, 28 March 2014 15:37
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Fri, 28 March 2014 13:06
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: xxNick on Fri, 28 March 2014 13:34
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: xxNick on Sun, 30 March 2014 11:01
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Tue, 01 April 2014 19:47
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Swanky_e on Wed, 02 April 2014 02:09
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: xxNick on Wed, 02 April 2014 03:51
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Swanky_e on Wed, 02 April 2014 12:12
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: xxNick on Wed, 02 April 2014 20:27
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Thu, 03 April 2014 07:26
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Thu, 03 April 2014 15:06
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Swanky_e on Mon, 07 April 2014 23:46
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Tue, 08 April 2014 00:16
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Wed, 02 April 2014 06:48
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: LittleV on Wed, 02 April 2014 10:43
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: CultOfByron on Wed, 02 April 2014 14:23
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: xxNick on Thu, 10 April 2014 22:55
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Swanky_e on Fri, 23 May 2014 01:34
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Rubim on Mon, 15 September 2014 04:26
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Mon, 15 September 2014 06:32
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Rubim on Mon, 15 September 2014 08:08
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Mon, 15 September 2014 08:22
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Rubim on Mon, 15 September 2014 08:55
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Keshire on Mon, 15 September 2014 15:31
		Re: WIP Updating the def.xml By: Rubim on Mon, 15 September 2014 21:17
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